0.000000 6.940000 You're listening to Pedologues, episode 10 for November 27, 2005.
6.940000 10.520000 Some of the topics discussed on this show are of a mature nature.
10.520000 14.200000 Those too immature to handle it might consider reading more.
14.200000 15.440000 Listener discretion is advised.
15.440000 75.440000 [MUSIC]
75.440000 94.440000 Okay, okay, okay, okay.
94.440000 97.800000 What's up?
97.800000 99.240000 No, that's my commercial.
99.240000 102.840000 Hey, just me, how are you doing?
102.840000 105.040000 I'm doing good, how are you?
105.040000 107.880000 All right, it's been a hectic weekend.
107.880000 110.160000 Hello, Renee.
110.160000 114.320000 Hello. Hi, do you want to sit next to me again?
114.320000 115.480000 Yes.
115.480000 119.880000 And over here on my right, we have Boy Story, hello.
119.880000 121.760000 Hey, how you doing?
121.760000 123.520000 Boy Story, I said.
123.520000 125.760000 I said Boy Story, not Boy Toy.
125.760000 130.040000 And speaking of boy toys, yeah, hello, Aqua, how are you?
130.040000 132.520000 I can't believe you just called me a boy toy.
132.520000 133.280000 Well, what are you then?
133.280000 134.360000 Why not?
134.360000 140.680000 I am an aqua, I am like water.
140.680000 143.040000 In other words, you're saying he's a drip.
143.040000 144.040000 And a walking boy toy.
144.040000 147.040000 Do you suffer from drip aqua?
147.040000 148.040000 Or should we know that?
148.040000 149.040000 Excuse me?
149.040000 151.040000 Let's just get on with the show.
151.040000 154.040000 Is that all you can say?
154.040000 156.000000 That's all I'm allowed to say.
156.000000 157.000000 Really?
157.000000 159.360000 Oh wait, no this is a podcast.
159.360000 161.900000 Yeah you keep forgetting that.
161.900000 164.840000 You can say anything you want.
164.840000 165.840000 Anyway.
165.840000 166.840000 Anyway.
166.840000 167.840000 Anyway.
167.840000 173.680000 So what's been happening guys?
173.680000 175.360000 Same shit, different pile over here.
175.360000 178.360000 I got a new computer.
178.360000 181.360000 Yay, who bought it for you?
181.360000 182.360000 Not me.
182.360000 183.360000 You didn't remember?
183.360000 188.240000 What did you have to do to get that?
188.240000 190.760000 I think he's trying to say, who did you have to blow to get that?
190.760000 195.320000 Hey, I like him.
195.320000 198.500000 He's upfront and honest.
198.500000 200.660000 I did not buy that for you aqua.
200.660000 201.660000 Yes you did.
201.660000 202.660000 I did not.
202.660000 209.360000 Oh if you did rookie, you and I have to sit down and have one hell of a talk.
209.360000 212.220000 See now you're getting me in trouble with Rene.
212.220000 213.220000 That's the point.
213.220000 215.700000 I'm supposed to be getting you in trouble with everyone.
215.700000 220.100000 So we have nothing to talk about once again.
220.100000 221.100000 Exactly.
221.100000 222.100000 For an hour.
222.100000 223.100000 We're going to talk about nothing for an hour again.
223.100000 224.100000 Okay.
224.100000 225.100000 We'll just make up stuff.
225.100000 226.100000 Interesting.
226.100000 227.340000 I'm good at doing that.
227.340000 228.840000 So boy story.
228.840000 229.840000 You're new here.
229.840000 230.840000 Yes sir.
230.840000 234.620000 You want to do like, you want to do like the Dr. Evil introductions.
234.620000 241.160000 The details of my life are entirely inconsequential.
241.160000 243.920000 My mother was a French prostitute with wet feet.
243.920000 244.920000 Cool.
244.920000 252.760000 Well, let's just say I was born the son of a poor black child who never dreamed he was
252.760000 253.760000 adopted.
253.760000 254.760000 Okay.
254.760000 260.200000 Guess if that works, definitely not original.
260.200000 265.800000 Hey, I never said I was original.
265.800000 268.200000 So what brings you here?
268.200000 269.200000 What brings me here?
269.200000 274.440000 Well, um, honestly, never even heard of SQR until about a week ago.
274.440000 278.480000 When my young friend and I were sitting around and he said, Hey, have you ever heard of this?
278.480000 281.880000 I said, no, he said, well, let's listen to it.
281.880000 287.000000 And I happened to turn in, tune in on Amadeus's show and uh, Oh God.
287.000000 288.000000 Yeah.
288.000000 295.260000 Funny thing is that Amadeus and I have a few, uh, acquaintances that are in common.
295.260000 297.440000 So it kind of opened the door a little bit.
297.440000 298.920000 I think a lot of us do actually.
298.920000 299.920000 Yeah.
299.920000 302.040000 He and I had a long conversation about it.
302.040000 306.000000 Um, I write, uh, stories for nifty.
306.000000 307.520000 Oh, really?
307.520000 308.520000 Yes.
308.520000 309.520000 Oh wow.
309.520000 310.520000 Cool.
310.520000 316.000000 I am, I am the boy story of nifty, uh, that's actually how I met my young friend.
316.000000 317.680000 Oh man.
317.680000 318.720000 That's awesome.
318.720000 321.760000 So your, your, your nifty stories became your own nifty story.
321.760000 323.720000 Um, somewhat.
323.720000 324.720000 Yeah.
324.720000 336.200000 Any of you who are not familiar with nifty.org, raise your hand.
336.200000 340.800000 So I guess that means everyone here knows exactly and have perused the articles fully.
340.800000 342.520000 Renee, have you been there?
342.520000 346.040000 No, but I'm just going to be a typical blonde and sit here and chat up for two minutes.
346.040000 347.040000 Well, come on.
347.040000 348.040000 One of the things.
348.040000 349.040000 You are not allowed to be blonde.
349.040000 350.040000 Yes she is.
350.040000 352.880000 Being blonde is the best.
352.880000 353.880000 At least in practice.
353.880000 356.640000 I'm trying to bring us back to topic here for a moment.
356.640000 359.000000 I don't know what this is.
359.000000 361.040000 Nifty is a erotic stories archive.
361.040000 363.600000 It's an archive of stories.
363.600000 369.920000 There are like a hundred and some odd thousand articles or stories ranging from non-discriminate,
369.920000 375.640000 ranging from gay to lesbian, to bisexual, to bestiality, to all sorts of different things.
375.640000 377.640000 Very non-discriminate, very unbiased.
377.640000 378.640000 No.
378.640000 382.320000 Of course, all of my stories aren't gay, of course.
382.320000 388.120000 But when I first started writing, I started getting a lot of flak from people that, hey,
388.120000 390.800000 your stories are nothing more than just sex stories.
390.800000 396.000000 Well, kind of changed a bit.
396.000000 399.600000 Well it's really hard to find a story on there that actually has a plot.
399.600000 400.600000 Well I'll tell you.
400.600000 401.600000 Let me give you a couple.
401.600000 404.880000 Yeah, there's a few, but not a lot.
404.880000 407.760000 One of the things that kind of interested me as far as my stories were concerned, I'm
407.760000 410.360000 not trying to turn this into an interview of my stories, but...
410.360000 413.080000 Go right ahead, I mean, you know.
413.080000 418.600000 But it turns out that I'd say that about 80 percent of my readers are actually under the
418.600000 420.600000 age of 18.
420.600000 422.920000 Even though there are disclaimers all over the place saying you have to be 18 to read
422.920000 427.640000 this stuff, I'd say that the vast majority of emails I've received, and I've been writing
427.640000 432.760000 now again for Nifty, I was writing for a while back in the early 90s when it first started,
432.760000 435.880000 but I came back about eight months ago.
435.880000 442.840000 And in that eight months I've received some 2700 emails from readers on different aspects
442.840000 444.840000 of different stories that I've written.
444.840000 445.840000 Wow.
445.840000 449.000000 My eyebrows are raised in astonishment at the moment.
449.000000 455.200000 Yeah, talking with 2700 emails and talking to other authors that I've talked to in another
455.200000 459.800000 chat room, that's kind of an amazing number.
459.800000 460.800000 Most of them get three, four...
460.800000 462.280000 Do you actually answer all the emails?
462.280000 464.760000 I answer every email.
464.760000 466.240000 It helps to be retired.
466.240000 467.240000 Wow.
467.240000 468.680000 No, no, that's cool.
468.680000 471.240000 And Nifty's been around since what, like 1994?
471.240000 473.240000 I mean, I've seen some stories on there.
473.240000 474.240000 1992.
474.240000 475.240000 1992.
475.240000 476.240000 Wow.
476.240000 477.240000 And I've seen some...
477.240000 479.240000 1992 is when Nifty was founded.
479.240000 483.040000 It was taken over by Gate Cafe in 1994.
483.040000 484.040000 Ah.
484.040000 489.880000 Okay, now I haven't been there lately, but I mean, I remember, I mean, hell, back when
489.880000 494.080000 I found the net, that was one of the first places that I started hanging around, and
494.080000 495.080000 I was a...
495.080000 498.200000 And I think that's where half of the 12-year-olds go first too.
498.200000 499.200000 Yeah, exactly.
499.200000 502.920000 I mean, yeah, that's the thing that I keep on telling people is that, in fact, I was
502.920000 507.320000 talking to someone just recently, they were saying, "Oh, well, these 12-year-olds, you
507.320000 510.560000 have to be careful on the net," and everything, and I said, "Well, I know a 12-year-old."
510.560000 511.560000 Me.
511.560000 512.560000 Me.
512.560000 513.560000 Yeah, exactly.
513.560000 514.560000 I was talking about you.
514.560000 515.560000 I said, "These 12-year-olds..."
515.560000 516.560000 His dog is whining in the background.
516.560000 517.560000 Mine isn't.
517.560000 518.560000 I'm shutting him up right now.
518.560000 519.560000 Aw.
519.560000 520.560000 Okay.
520.560000 521.560000 Well, to do nicely, at least.
521.560000 522.560000 Yeah.
522.560000 523.560000 Oh, of course I am.
524.040000 525.040000 I'm just giving him food.
525.040000 527.040000 Well, that works.
527.040000 528.040000 Yeah, I'm giving him attention.
528.040000 532.220000 Anyway, I was saying that I know a 12-year-old, and I said, "He's already seen everything,
532.220000 537.200000 so it doesn't affect him," and the guy was like, "Oh, yeah, okay, that works."
537.200000 541.640000 You know, I told him, I said, "Yeah, this kid is very intelligent, and..."
541.640000 543.640000 Oh, was I talking about Aqua?
543.640000 544.640000 No, yeah, okay.
544.640000 545.640000 Yeah, I was very...
545.640000 552.680000 He's very intelligent, you know, and he's very mature for his age, so kudos.
552.680000 553.680000 Kudos.
553.680000 554.680000 At moments.
554.680000 555.680000 At moments, yeah.
555.680000 556.680000 You have moments of clarity.
556.680000 562.440000 I've just put two links up on the chat board there for us, so you can get...
562.440000 566.040000 Okay, let me see if I can get there without my computer crashing.
566.040000 573.080000 The first one is the nifty link to the entry in their prolific authors list with my stories
573.080000 574.080000 in it.
574.080000 576.640000 And the second is my Yahoo group.
576.640000 577.960000 Ooh, I want to join your Yahoo group.
577.960000 579.840000 You have your own Yahoo group.
579.840000 580.840000 I have my own Yahoo group.
580.840000 581.840000 Oh, that's so cool.
581.840000 582.840000 I'm joining.
582.840000 583.840000 I'm joining.
583.840000 584.840000 Nearly 800 members.
584.840000 585.840000 I'm joining.
585.840000 594.480000 I started the group, I started the group September 26th of this year, and I have nearly 800 members.
594.480000 597.080000 Now, I have to ask you something.
597.080000 605.800000 I have heard recently that Yahoo is "cracking down" on pedophile chat rooms.
605.800000 607.280000 Yes, they are.
607.280000 610.800000 The difference between what...they're cracking down on what mine is.
610.800000 616.880000 I don't really know even questionable photographs on my website.
616.880000 620.120000 All my website is, is for stories.
620.120000 622.080000 But they're talking about chats.
622.080000 625.240000 Well, we don't usually do a chat.
625.240000 626.240000 Right.
626.240000 630.780000 Well, I mean, there's a chat room there, but we don't use it.
630.780000 633.240000 We've used it, I think, twice.
633.240000 637.400000 And it's also a matter that, you know, I have to be able to see in the profile of the individual
637.400000 640.280000 that they're age 18 or older or else I have to shut them down.
640.280000 641.560000 Or I have to kick them out.
641.560000 645.660000 And well, we just actually went through and did a purge a couple of days ago because of
645.660000 647.480000 an email I got from Yahoo.
647.480000 648.480000 A purge?
648.480000 655.520000 Basically, I wound up having to kick 35 members out because their profiles were either explicitly
655.520000 659.840000 stating that they were under 18 or they had no age at all in the profile.
659.840000 660.840000 I see.
660.840000 666.640000 Okay, so they had to have an explicitly adult profile, not adult in content, but adult in
666.640000 667.640000 age status.
667.640000 668.640000 Yes.
668.640000 669.640000 I see.
669.640000 670.640000 Okay.
670.640000 671.640000 All right.
671.640000 672.640000 Well, that's cool.
672.640000 673.640000 I had no idea.
673.640000 674.640000 I had a famous...
674.640000 681.460000 But I am going to have a mirror of my group elsewhere just in case.
681.460000 682.460000 That's cool.
682.460000 683.460000 Okay.
683.460000 684.460000 Well, okay.
684.460000 686.880000 So, yeah, like I said, I've been on there before.
686.880000 690.000000 And I mean, some of the stories, they go back all the way to like 1994 and everything.
690.000000 691.160000 So yeah, they've been around forever.
691.160000 692.160000 Yes, they have.
692.160000 693.640000 And they've never changed.
693.640000 695.320000 So that's cool.
695.320000 699.400000 It's almost impossible to get a story removed from Nifty.
699.400000 700.800000 They just will not remove them.
700.800000 701.800000 Right, right.
701.800000 702.800000 Oh, that's good.
702.800000 708.680000 Do they have any kind of censorship or any kind of, how should I say, moderation stories
708.680000 709.680000 before they come in?
709.680000 710.680000 Yes, yes.
710.680000 714.040000 There are only a couple of things that Nifty will not allow.
714.040000 717.120000 They will not allow a story that is specifically about rape.
717.120000 720.240000 They will not allow a story that has any sort of snuffing.
720.240000 723.000000 It has to be consensual.
723.000000 726.680000 Everything has to be consensual, even though you can have aspects of the stories that are
726.680000 727.680000 not consensual.
727.680000 729.020000 I've never really noticed that before.
729.020000 730.020000 That's interesting.
730.020000 731.020000 Okay.
731.020000 733.660000 You can have aspects of the story that are not consensual.
733.660000 734.660000 Right.
734.660000 739.720000 But the basic story itself cannot be about, for example, someone who wants to go out and
739.720000 740.720000 rape 100 kids.
740.720000 741.720000 Right.
741.720000 742.720000 They don't allow that.
742.720000 743.720000 Yeah.
743.720000 748.200000 I know in one of my stories, there was a situation where one of the characters was raped.
748.200000 749.200000 That's reality.
749.200000 750.480000 That's not a situation I'm writing.
750.480000 752.320000 I'm not writing a story about someone going out and raping.
752.320000 753.920000 I'm writing a story where someone got raped.
753.920000 754.920000 Yeah.
754.920000 755.920000 There's a difference.
755.920000 757.960000 It's part of the plot, but it's not the subject of the story.
757.960000 758.960000 Yeah.
758.960000 759.960000 Okay.
759.960000 760.960000 That's cool.
760.960000 761.960000 Right.
761.960000 766.820000 So you as a boy lover, when did you first "find out" about boy love and whatnot?
766.820000 769.700000 I think I was about 19.
769.700000 770.700000 You were 19.
770.700000 771.700000 Same age as me.
771.700000 772.700000 I was about 19.
772.700000 773.700000 Actually.
773.700000 778.860000 I was in a relationship with a person, I guess it would help if you knew a little bit about
778.860000 781.500000 my background prior to that.
781.500000 786.820000 I was basically a professional young friend up until the time I was 16.
786.820000 788.260000 I see.
788.260000 791.180000 I basically was, let's rephrase that.
791.180000 793.140000 I was a bit of a slut before I was 16.
793.140000 797.080000 Well, when you say professional, are you talking about for money or did you just do it...
797.080000 799.840000 No, I just did it exclusively.
799.840000 804.820000 I don't think I had sex with anyone who was my own age until I was over 18.
804.820000 805.820000 So you were into...
805.820000 806.820000 Inception of once.
806.820000 807.820000 So you were...
807.820000 808.820000 I was into older guys.
808.820000 809.820000 You were into older guys.
809.820000 810.820000 Okay.
810.820000 811.820000 I was into older guys.
811.820000 812.820000 That's a good way of putting it.
812.820000 818.980000 When I was 16, I met somebody who kind of changed the way I looked at things, who was a boy
818.980000 819.980000 lover.
819.980000 823.940000 And we had many a conversation about specifically that subject.
823.940000 829.740000 And it came to the point where he said, you may have been into older guys, but I've seen
829.740000 830.740000 you now.
830.740000 833.740000 I'm now 19, almost 20.
833.740000 837.740000 And he says, you're really attracted to younger guys, aren't you?
837.740000 839.740000 I said, yeah, I am.
839.740000 845.540000 And that's basically when I came to the conclusion that, hey, I really like younger guys.
845.540000 851.740000 So he kind of introduced you into the world beyond just the sexual aspect of it, pretty
851.740000 852.740000 much.
852.740000 853.740000 Exactly.
853.740000 854.740000 I mean, the community aspect.
854.740000 855.740000 Yes.
855.740000 856.740000 Okay.
856.740000 861.160000 So yeah, he introduced you into the...
861.160000 862.160000 How would you put it?
862.160000 867.100000 I mean, the non-sexual aspect of boy love, I mean, would you consider that to be like
867.100000 872.460000 the social aspect, or the, I mean, what else is there besides the sex for you?
872.460000 878.940000 Well, it's pure and simple, that sex is only one very, very small aspect to what boy love
878.940000 879.940000 is.
879.940000 886.620000 Boy love is, very simply, doing what you need to do to better the life of the boy.
886.620000 893.660000 So whether it be helping with his homework, or teaching him right from wrong, or giving
893.660000 899.740000 him a sense of values, giving him a sense that he's a better person than he feels that
899.740000 901.220000 he is, helping his self-esteem.
901.220000 908.020000 You know, sex is going to come, but it's just a matter that, you know, there's just so much
908.020000 909.460000 more to it than that.
909.460000 915.380000 Now, when you say values, now, a lot of people listening to this right now that don't have
915.380000 919.900000 any idea about what boy love is, and what child love is in general, child love, kid
919.900000 923.220000 love, whatever you want to call it, in other words, you know, an older person being with
923.220000 925.300000 a younger person in a relationship.
925.300000 927.700000 They're going to hear the word values, and they're automatically going to think back
927.700000 930.580000 to child grooming, and, you know, teaching kids how...
930.580000 931.780000 Now, let's look at something here.
931.780000 934.020000 We're looking at the difference between two words.
934.020000 939.300000 We're looking at the difference between values and morals.
939.300000 941.260000 Values are the same values across the board.
941.260000 943.420000 Now, you want to be respectful of other people.
943.420000 944.860000 You want to be respectful of yourself.
944.860000 950.460000 You want to care for what you do, and how it affects other people.
950.460000 952.020000 Those are values.
952.020000 953.020000 Morals are a different story.
953.020000 958.500000 Morals are a dogma that is taught to us by the religious aspects of our society that,
958.500000 961.700000 you know, in a lot of respects, you know, there's a lot of merit to, but in a lot of
961.700000 964.820000 other respects, it's all bullshit.
964.820000 967.540000 Let's look... let's look back at history for a few.
967.540000 971.100000 Historically, boy love has been around for eons.
971.100000 973.860000 Ever since people have been together, there have been boy lovers.
973.860000 974.860000 Right.
974.860000 975.860000 Right.
975.860000 976.860000 Okay.
976.860000 977.860000 Ancient Greece comes to mind.
977.860000 978.860000 Okay.
978.860000 983.980000 So, pederasty, as they called it, was an accepted portion of their society.
983.980000 990.140000 Yeah, it was a government sanctioned portion of their society that talked about the relationships
990.140000 991.940000 between the older man and the younger boy.
991.940000 992.940000 Right.
992.940000 996.860000 And actually, I have a story written about it, but that's beside the point.
996.860000 998.340000 Wow, that's cool.
998.340000 999.340000 Okay.
999.340000 1000.340000 Yeah.
1000.340000 1003.340000 Our society is dictating what is right and what is wrong.
1003.340000 1004.340000 Okay.
1004.340000 1006.260000 You know, with me, it's a simple matter.
1006.260000 1012.080000 There are certain ages where, yeah, a boy does not have the capability of making a decision
1012.080000 1013.080000 to have sex.
1013.080000 1018.180000 Now, it doesn't mean we can't have a relationship with that person, but, you know, as a boy
1018.180000 1020.180000 lover, you know, there's two different types of people.
1020.180000 1022.140000 There's boy lovers and there's boy fuckers.
1022.140000 1023.140000 Hmm.
1023.140000 1024.140000 Okay.
1024.140000 1027.780000 There are people out there who are looking specifically for sex.
1027.780000 1028.780000 For the sexual aspect.
1028.780000 1029.780000 And nothing else.
1029.780000 1030.780000 Okay.
1030.780000 1032.580000 People could even come close to calling themselves boy lovers.
1032.580000 1033.920000 Well, that's the thing.
1033.920000 1038.680000 The term, actually, that's an interesting aspect is that the term boy lover, excuse me,
1038.680000 1043.720000 the word boy lover is relative to who's saying it and what they apply to it.
1043.720000 1048.460000 So I think that's one of the reasons why the boy love community is having such a squabble
1048.460000 1052.640000 as to what boy love is, to what girl love is.
1052.640000 1055.440000 You know, these people are not boy lovers and these people are.
1055.440000 1057.640000 I'm a boy lover, you're not.
1057.640000 1063.880000 You know, internal conflict within the community, I think that's all coming down from people
1063.880000 1067.500000 disagreeing with what boy love is in general.
1067.500000 1071.020000 You know, and it's a personal label.
1071.020000 1075.820000 You apply it to yourself if you believe that you are what you are and so for some people,
1075.820000 1079.520000 it's a sexual thing and for some people it's not.
1079.520000 1080.780000 And some people are half and half.
1080.780000 1083.480000 Some people, yeah, it's both.
1083.480000 1087.540000 But personally, I think that a person that doesn't have any kind of non-sexual aspect
1087.540000 1090.580000 in their attractions to kids are not boy lovers.
1090.580000 1097.240000 I mean, there is always, has to be some type of non-sexual aspect to it because that's
1097.240000 1098.240000 life.
1098.240000 1099.240000 You know?
1099.240000 1100.240000 Right.
1100.240000 1103.920000 Well, that's like, that was like me with my AF.
1103.920000 1106.240000 I mean, I was 11, he was 36.
1106.240000 1115.080000 So he was obviously a GL, but I mean, there was never anything sexual until I hit a certain
1115.080000 1116.080000 age.
1116.080000 1117.080000 Right, until you got a little bit older.
1117.080000 1123.380000 And you had a relationship with him as far as the friendship and the mentorship and the
1123.380000 1124.880000 loving aspect of it.
1124.880000 1125.880000 Oh yeah.
1125.880000 1130.960000 Like, going out for coffees and movies and going shopping and you know, he was there.
1130.960000 1132.940000 If I needed someone to talk to, he was there.
1132.940000 1137.000000 If I needed someone I wanted to spend time with, he was there.
1137.000000 1144.400000 But he also knew that my primary love language is quality time.
1144.400000 1149.160000 The one thing that makes me, the one way I know that someone really loves me is how much
1149.160000 1150.160000 time they spend with me.
1150.160000 1152.800000 You were bringing that up before, love language.
1152.800000 1154.160000 What is love language?
1154.160000 1156.840000 There are five love languages.
1156.840000 1167.160000 You have quality time, you have acts of service, you have gifts, words of affirmation.
1167.160000 1172.120000 This sounds like general child psychology and development.
1172.120000 1176.600000 Actually, it was something, this is going to sound really weird, but this was actually
1176.600000 1179.760000 a course I had to take before I was allowed to get married.
1179.760000 1185.600000 Because I had to know what my, well, ex-husband, now ex-husband's primary love languages were
1185.600000 1188.880000 before I was allowed to get married to him.
1188.880000 1194.560000 So it's not necessarily something between kids, it's something that will hit two people
1194.560000 1195.560000 between a couple.
1195.560000 1196.560000 A couple, right.
1196.560000 1198.120000 I have three books on it right now.
1198.120000 1203.120000 I have the basic love language of children, teenagers, and couples, which I'm trying to
1203.120000 1204.440000 go through on my shows.
1204.440000 1212.440000 So what love language basically means is there's more to a relationship besides just verbal
1212.440000 1213.440000 communication.
1213.440000 1219.320000 There's other types of affection that fall into play.
1219.320000 1222.520000 My primary love language is quality time.
1222.520000 1232.360000 Now, okay, just taking as an example, my ex-husband's primary love language was the physical touch.
1232.360000 1234.440000 That was near the bottom of my list.
1234.440000 1238.660000 So the one thing I had a lot of trouble doing was the physical touch thing.
1238.660000 1241.660000 And my quality time love language is at the bottom of his list.
1241.660000 1245.680000 So one thing he did not want to do is spend time with me, which made us conflict.
1245.680000 1246.680000 Priorities.
1246.680000 1250.880000 It's, I mean, everybody has one of every love language.
1250.880000 1256.160000 There's just one that will make you feel more loved by someone.
1256.160000 1260.640000 Now, I'm not saying that if you don't have it, you're not loved, but it's just like,
1260.640000 1266.200000 especially with a child, like my young friends, I know what their love languages are.
1266.200000 1267.560000 And neither one of them live in my town.
1267.560000 1272.080000 Like I have one in Washington state and one in Puerto Rico, and I'm in Canada.
1272.080000 1274.560000 I mean, they're nowhere near me, you know.
1274.560000 1277.360000 But online, there still is a love language online.
1277.360000 1278.360000 I think that's probably...
1278.360000 1279.360000 Oh yeah, and I know what their love language is.
1279.360000 1280.360000 That sheds a little bit of light on the relationship I have with them.
1280.360000 1281.360000 I know what they want.
1281.360000 1282.360000 I know what they want from me.
1282.360000 1283.360000 Yeah.
1283.360000 1284.360000 We, quality time is a big thing for us.
1284.360000 1285.360000 You know, we spend a lot of time together online.
1285.360000 1286.360000 And if you can...
1286.360000 1290.040000 We spend a lot of time together on the phone.
1290.040000 1293.960000 When we do get a chance to see each other, we spend a lot of time just together.
1293.960000 1294.960000 Yeah.
1294.960000 1295.960000 Right.
1295.960000 1299.680000 And if you don't know what, like if you don't know what someone's love language is, I'm
1299.680000 1303.220000 not saying that it's impossible to love them, but it will be very hard for them to feel
1303.220000 1305.920000 loved by you if you don't understand how they're going to understand it.
1305.920000 1306.920000 Okay.
1306.920000 1313.480000 And then, what do you think on the kid's side, on the younger person's side, what is their
1313.480000 1316.540000 love language that they use for the adult?
1316.540000 1317.540000 It depends on the kid.
1317.540000 1318.540000 Well, okay.
1318.540000 1319.900000 Well, give me an example.
1319.900000 1320.900000 Every kid is different.
1320.900000 1326.320000 I mean, it's hard to determine what one's love language is if they're under the age
1326.320000 1327.480000 of five.
1327.480000 1331.080000 Because under the age of five, they don't understand it.
1331.080000 1338.360000 It's like proven in my books, it's hard, like the doctor that I'm reading the book about,
1338.360000 1341.720000 it's hard to understand a child's love language if they're under the age of five because they
1341.720000 1344.520000 haven't determined what the differences are yet.
1344.520000 1345.520000 So they haven't determined...
1345.520000 1349.320000 Well, what hasn't developed within the child yet, specifically?
1349.320000 1354.920000 They haven't understood the concepts of what we mean when we say quality time or what we
1354.920000 1357.720000 mean when we say words of affirmation.
1357.720000 1359.920000 At least on a conscious level.
1359.920000 1360.920000 Right.
1360.920000 1362.760000 Because, I mean, I'm pretty sure that, you know...
1362.760000 1366.520000 Basically, until a child is in their seventh or eighth year, their personalities really
1366.520000 1367.520000 haven't fully developed.
1367.520000 1368.520000 Right.
1368.520000 1369.520000 Right.
1369.520000 1371.040000 They're still very codependent on that person.
1371.040000 1377.280000 Yeah, and they're still very, I guess, it's kind of hard to say, not manipulative, but
1377.280000 1378.280000 you can...
1378.280000 1379.280000 You can easily...
1379.280000 1385.200000 A child is still absorbing so much information under the age of five that you can't determine
1385.200000 1386.560000 for sure what their love language is.
1386.560000 1389.740000 Over the age of five, it's a little more easier if you take the time to listen.
1389.740000 1396.160000 Now here's something that I wonder about sometimes, because I often wonder, in my own sexual attraction
1396.160000 1400.280000 to kids, where does one draw the line as far as age?
1400.280000 1401.560000 And there's a lot of debate about this.
1401.560000 1403.360000 I know a lot of people, they have this debate about...
1403.360000 1404.360000 A lot of debate.
1404.360000 1408.560000 Oh, well, you know, if they're only into, you know, up until, you know, as far as down
1408.560000 1412.400000 as 12, then they're not really a boy lover or something, or, you know...
1412.400000 1417.680000 I mean, I've had people tell me that, well, yeah, I mean, I'm into this early age and
1417.680000 1423.600000 everything, and honestly, to me, sometimes I get the feeling that it's like, okay, well,
1423.600000 1428.480000 what exactly would you do with that person who's underneath that age?
1428.480000 1434.540000 And I mean, I personally, I'm not attracted usually sexually to anyone under the age of
1434.540000 1438.680000 maybe like nine or ten, you know, at the very, you know, at the lowest, usually.
1438.680000 1439.680000 I mean, yeah, there are...
1439.680000 1441.220000 There's some type of sexual...
1441.220000 1447.080000 Some type of passive attraction underneath that, but I don't usually find their bodies
1447.080000 1450.160000 sexually attractive.
1450.160000 1451.960000 I generally just find them...
1451.960000 1454.080000 How should I put it?
1454.080000 1455.080000 Cute, you know?
1455.080000 1456.080000 Cute.
1456.080000 1457.080000 I was just going to say the exact word.
1457.080000 1458.080000 Yeah, cute.
1458.080000 1461.640000 But, you know, that's the other thing is that the word "cute" can be misconstrued.
1461.640000 1462.640000 I mean, there's...
1462.640000 1463.640000 Adorable.
1463.640000 1464.640000 Adorable.
1464.640000 1465.640000 Adorable is more the word.
1465.640000 1466.640000 Adorable.
1466.640000 1467.640000 Right, exactly.
1467.640000 1473.800000 And so I'm wondering, I think a lot of people's misperceptions of pedophiles that people have
1473.800000 1481.320000 is that someone wants to have sex with someone who is way too young to be able to even understand
1481.320000 1482.320000 it.
1482.320000 1487.120000 If, you know, in other words, the lower down the age, the more or less of a chance...
1487.120000 1493.400000 When I have this conversation with other people, you know, one of the things that is common,
1493.400000 1497.200000 you know, we were having a conversation a few days ago in one of the other chat rooms
1497.200000 1499.400000 on age of consent.
1499.400000 1502.840000 I think the age of consent laws are probably the worst laws that were ever written.
1502.840000 1508.720000 Very simply, because, you know, what it does is it puts an arbitrary point at which someone
1508.720000 1511.840000 can legally make the decision to have sex, you know.
1511.840000 1514.560000 Right, yeah, we've covered this a lot of times, Sam.
1514.560000 1519.960000 They asked me, you know, this should not be necessarily a chronological thing.
1519.960000 1525.120000 Because there are some, you know, 13, 14, and 15-year-olds that have the wherewithal
1525.120000 1529.400000 to make an informed decision that they want to choose if they want to have sex with a
1529.400000 1530.400000 specific individual.
1530.400000 1531.400000 Right.
1531.400000 1540.440000 But there are some adults, quote-unquote, that have absolutely no clue, you know.
1540.440000 1543.600000 You've heard the statement made that there are certain people on this earth that shouldn't
1543.600000 1544.600000 procreate.
1544.600000 1545.600000 Yeah.
1545.600000 1546.600000 Yeah.
1546.600000 1550.880000 Well, what I think I was trying to get at, though, is that people are failing to realize
1550.880000 1555.520000 that this attraction that we have, there's more to it than just the sexual aspect, and
1555.520000 1557.360000 that's why I wanted to talk about it in this episode.
1557.360000 1558.360000 Very much so.
1558.360000 1562.840000 The problem is, is people are being manipulated by what the media is showing them, and the
1562.840000 1565.920000 media is only showing them the negative side of things.
1565.920000 1569.160000 They're showing the ones who are hurting kids, they're showing the ones who are abusing the
1569.160000 1570.160000 kids.
1570.160000 1571.160000 They're showing the molesters.
1571.160000 1572.160000 Yeah.
1572.160000 1573.160000 And then they're just generalizing it.
1573.160000 1575.720000 They're generalizing it like anybody generalizes anything.
1575.720000 1576.720000 Like when...
1576.720000 1577.720000 They're villainizing it.
1577.720000 1578.720000 Right.
1578.720000 1585.120000 I mean, people generalize against the gay community, and, you know, to this day, it's still not
1585.120000 1589.200000 that easy, but, you know, they're not...
1589.200000 1590.680000 People are just very...
1590.680000 1594.280000 Just taking all the negative things and making it all one aspect, and saying, "Okay, well,
1594.280000 1595.280000 that's what it means."
1595.280000 1596.280000 Right.
1596.280000 1598.720000 When they're only seeing the bad side of it.
1598.720000 1604.040000 They're not seeing those of us who don't do that and who have a whole different view and
1604.040000 1606.720000 a whole different way of living that life.
1606.720000 1607.720000 Right.
1607.720000 1611.920000 Now, I wanted to address Aqua real quick, because he's being really quiet.
1611.920000 1612.920000 Hi.
1612.920000 1613.920000 How are you?
1613.920000 1614.920000 Okay.
1614.920000 1615.920000 I was watching...
1615.920000 1616.920000 I'm watching TV.
1616.920000 1617.920000 I'm sorry.
1617.920000 1619.480000 Oh, you do not have that TV on again.
1619.480000 1620.480000 I do not.
1620.480000 1621.480000 Please do not tell me...
1621.480000 1622.480000 Oh, God.
1622.480000 1626.760000 Please turn it off, because when I'm editing this thing, it makes it very horrible to edit.
1626.760000 1627.760000 Okay.
1627.760000 1628.760000 Please turn it off.
1628.760000 1629.760000 Okay?
1629.760000 1630.760000 Please.
1630.760000 1631.760000 It's off.
1631.760000 1632.760000 It's off.
1632.760000 1633.760000 It's off.
1633.760000 1634.760000 Wait.
1634.760000 1635.760000 Okay, now it's off.
1635.760000 1636.760000 Okay.
1636.760000 1637.760000 Aqua.
1637.760000 1638.760000 Hi.
1638.760000 1639.760000 Have you been paying attention to anything we've been saying?
1639.760000 1640.760000 No comment.
1640.760000 1645.400000 I think the word "comment" is particular.
1645.400000 1650.400000 I remember hearing something about love languages, and then there was something about cows.
1650.400000 1651.400000 Cows?
1651.400000 1652.400000 Cows?
1652.400000 1657.400000 That must have been the TV I was on.
1657.400000 1661.080000 I was going to say that must have been the TV I was listening to.
1661.080000 1662.080000 Okay.
1662.080000 1663.200000 Aqua, let me ask you.
1663.200000 1667.840000 Have you ever been in a relationship yet in something that you would consider more than
1667.840000 1673.000000 just platonic?
1673.000000 1675.400000 What were you expecting from that relationship?
1675.400000 1683.080000 What was going on in your mind?
1683.080000 1687.800000 I don't know if it was with someone your age or someone who was older, but in general,
1687.800000 1692.640000 speaking wise...
1692.640000 1693.640000 What was the question again?
1693.640000 1697.840000 I was going to say this isn't a test, you know?
1697.840000 1698.840000 It sounds like a test.
1698.840000 1703.400000 No, I'm basically just asking, I mean, okay, that's why I wish you would have been paying
1703.400000 1704.760000 attention to what we were talking about.
1704.760000 1709.640000 We're talking about other aspects of a relationship besides the sexual aspect.
1709.640000 1713.120000 I'm not asking if you had sex with a guy, girl, whoever.
1713.120000 1723.400000 I'm asking how did it come about, and were you just friends with him?
1723.400000 1725.240000 We were really just friends.
1725.240000 1729.560000 I mean, it was one of those freaky long-distance relationship things.
1729.560000 1730.820000 How old were you at the time?
1730.820000 1732.240000 I was actually 11.
1732.240000 1733.560000 And how old was he?
1733.560000 1734.560000 21.
1734.560000 1736.760000 So what did you find attractive about him?
1736.760000 1737.760000 I mean...
1737.760000 1740.380000 He was a really nice person.
1740.380000 1743.560000 I mean, he'd pretty much do anything for you.
1743.560000 1748.040000 So you basically saw each other online and would hang out and...
1748.040000 1749.040000 Yeah.
1749.040000 1751.600000 So, I mean, what was going on through your mind?
1751.600000 1757.080000 Did you know what kind of relationship that he wanted or that you guys were kind of intermingling
1757.080000 1758.080000 with each other?
1758.080000 1764.560000 I mean, you know, or was it on the surface where you guys openly saying, yeah, I'm into
1764.560000 1765.720000 you?
1765.720000 1772.080000 Or was it just more like, you know, I want toys?
1772.080000 1776.440000 I would never, ever, can't believe you even implied that.
1776.440000 1779.520000 Well, let's see, how many times do you ask me for shit?
1779.520000 1782.320000 Oh, you mean like right before the show almost?
1782.320000 1783.320000 Mm-hmm.
1783.320000 1784.320000 No comment.
1784.320000 1785.320000 I'm trying to get some...
1785.320000 1786.320000 No comment.
1786.320000 1787.320000 Aqua?
1787.320000 1788.320000 No comment, rookie.
1788.320000 1789.320000 No comment on that.
1789.320000 1790.840000 I'm trying to get some content out of you.
1790.840000 1794.960000 Oh, you're trying to get content out of me in my writings now?
1794.960000 1803.080000 However, more seriously, really, pretty much on the surface.
1803.080000 1806.120000 So it was on the surface and you guys were honest with each other.
1806.120000 1808.120000 And I mean, how did you...
1808.120000 1809.120000 Did you approach him?
1809.120000 1810.120000 Did he approach you?
1810.120000 1812.920000 Did you just cut guys just kind of fall into the same room?
1812.920000 1814.520000 I approached him.
1814.520000 1815.600000 And what did you say to him?
1815.600000 1818.920000 I mean, did you say, yeah, I'm just curious.
1818.920000 1821.840000 I mean, we've never really talked about this.
1821.840000 1824.640000 Yeah, I know we haven't.
1824.640000 1826.840000 Is this something you don't want to talk about?
1826.840000 1831.440000 Not really, because he ended up going out with a ton of other people.
1831.440000 1832.440000 Okay.
1832.440000 1833.440000 Yeah.
1833.440000 1838.960000 Well, what were you guys talking about before?
1838.960000 1842.600000 How in a boy love relationship, it's not always just about the sex.
1842.600000 1844.840000 There's a whole other aspect to it.
1844.840000 1845.840000 Agree.
1845.840000 1846.840000 Okay.
1846.840000 1848.120000 Definitely agree.
1848.120000 1853.520000 So what other aspects do you see as being involved in a non-sexual boy love relationship?
1853.520000 1855.360000 Well, I mean, there's a ton of it.
1855.360000 1856.360000 You have a good friend.
1856.360000 1858.880000 You have someone you can talk to, definitely.
1858.880000 1864.840000 You can tell pretty much anything to, like the teddy bear, which I do not have at the
1864.840000 1865.840000 moment.
1865.840000 1866.840000 A teddy bear?
1866.840000 1867.840000 What do you mean a teddy bear?
1867.840000 1868.840000 Why aren't you just listening to me?
1868.840000 1869.840000 Like a real good friend that will always listen to you.
1869.840000 1870.840000 Yeah.
1870.840000 1871.840000 I mean, you're yelling at me for not listening.
1871.840000 1872.840000 God.
1872.840000 1873.840000 Yeah.
1873.840000 1874.840000 Okay.
1874.840000 1875.840000 I'm sorry.
1875.840000 1876.840000 My mind is...
1876.840000 1882.080000 Basically what you're saying is like with the kids, a young kid, they have their little
1882.080000 1886.360000 teddy bear or their stuffed animal that when things are going really bad and there's no
1886.360000 1888.440000 one else to talk to, that's where they go.
1888.440000 1895.120000 But in this case, it's an older friend that they can go to and that's the person that
1895.120000 1897.360000 they can talk to.
1897.360000 1903.120000 In my experience with young friends, I've been that person that I'm the only one they
1903.120000 1905.340000 can talk to.
1905.340000 1909.740000 With me, I had one young friend that when things went bad at home, I was the first one he called
1909.740000 1914.120000 and usually I was the one that went and picked him up and got him out of the situation that
1914.120000 1915.120000 he was in.
1915.120000 1921.200000 Now, you said that you were basically training to be a minister.
1921.200000 1922.200000 Right.
1922.200000 1923.960000 I was in Baptist seminary for a while.
1923.960000 1928.360000 I've kind of left that for the time being but then I'm going back.
1928.360000 1929.360000 Voluntarily?
1929.360000 1932.920000 I'm actually planning on starting something new on the internet soon.
1932.920000 1938.280000 I just have to figure out all the ways to work it out.
1938.280000 1939.280000 Right.
1939.280000 1943.440000 A belated apology for my religious dogma is bullshit comment.
1943.440000 1945.120000 Well, yeah.
1945.120000 1949.760000 He is kind of presenting the conundrum or the paradox or whatever you want to call it
1949.760000 1957.280000 of religion in and of itself is an evil and an intolerant thing because ...
1957.280000 1958.280000 Yeah.
1958.280000 1960.840000 I've gone through that conflict.
1960.840000 1967.520000 I've also advised young friends who were also going through that conflict.
1967.520000 1972.780000 Now, let me play devil's advocate for a second.
1972.780000 1979.220000 I would imagine that someone would say to you, "You being as a religious leader should
1979.220000 1985.280000 know better and should know that what you do and what you feel and what you act and
1985.280000 1990.120000 think regarding sexuality toward minors is wrong."
1990.120000 1993.340000 What do you have?
1993.340000 1994.900000 I've gotten that.
1994.900000 1996.080000 I've gotten that several times.
1996.080000 2002.760000 I've gone through that conflict.
2002.760000 2012.580000 For me, one of these things, as far as on that aspect of it, I go back to as far as
2012.580000 2019.540000 in my religion, with the Baptist religion, where the Bible is based from.
2019.540000 2024.620000 I have to sometimes go beyond that, which some people will say, "Well, okay, that's
2024.620000 2029.820000 sacrilegious or that's going against the Bible."
2029.820000 2038.200000 Even though the Bible is believed to remain complete, even if it's translated, there's
2038.200000 2048.900000 still a lot that is lost in translation and there's also a lot that is added in translation.
2048.900000 2055.200000 For one thing, the biggest thing that I have seen, if you look at the King James Version
2055.200000 2065.420000 and if you look at the existing tablets or translations or should I say copies that the
2065.420000 2072.900000 King James Bible was translated from, I can't remember what the word at that time was, but
2072.900000 2080.720000 the word "homosexual" does not occur in the Bible until the King James translation.
2080.720000 2081.720000 It does not occur.
2081.720000 2086.840000 And which part of the Bible does that occur in?
2086.840000 2088.280000 You would have to ask me.
2088.280000 2089.840000 Was it Leviticus?
2089.840000 2097.000000 Second Corinthians, there's a part in Second Corinthians, and I just have my Bible here.
2097.000000 2098.000000 There it is.
2098.000000 2103.800000 I used to know the exact chapter and verse because you made it.
2103.800000 2108.640000 In the Old Testament, there is in Leviticus.
2108.640000 2113.000000 Where is that?
2113.000000 2116.840000 The other thing that while you're looking this up is that this has to do with homosexuality.
2116.840000 2120.680000 It has nothing to do with age.
2120.680000 2124.040000 In fact, I don't even think age is even brought up in the Bible whatsoever.
2124.040000 2126.240000 Age is never brought up in the Bible.
2126.240000 2127.240000 No.
2127.240000 2131.880000 There's a few places where it says, "Sins committed against children," but it doesn't
2131.880000 2136.140000 go into specifics that I've studied so far.
2136.140000 2143.000000 Well, sins committed against children, I mean, if it's left that open to interpretation,
2143.000000 2149.880000 that could apply to whatever the society considers a sin at that time.
2149.880000 2156.560000 So to me, that's kind of like saying ... In fact, I would think that the Bible doesn't
2156.560000 2161.560000 even say anything about it because at that time, if I understand correctly, the age of
2161.560000 2165.040000 consent was very low.
2165.040000 2171.840000 In fact, the age of consent didn't even exist in the format how we think of age of consent
2171.840000 2173.420000 as far as law.
2173.420000 2178.540000 It was basically a time in your life when all of a sudden you were considered to be
2178.540000 2186.140000 considered an adult, and you took on the responsibilities of an adult, and that came on much earlier
2186.140000 2187.140000 on.
2187.420000 2197.380000 If you go back in history as far as that goes, at the time period that Jesus walked the earth,
2197.380000 2203.340000 it was very common, people getting married, if you want to say, they were eight and nine
2203.340000 2205.100000 years old.
2205.100000 2207.700000 The average was around 12.
2207.700000 2216.920000 There's some evidence looking in historic files of what they can find.
2216.920000 2225.780000 They say that the Virgin Mary, Jesus' mom, was probably around 12 or 13 years old.
2225.780000 2231.440000 I can think of one argument that the moralists use against that these days is that we have
2231.440000 2235.040000 evolved past that point.
2235.040000 2238.940000 They use the word evolution, or they've advanced.
2238.940000 2244.320000 The morality has advanced to the point where now we do not send our daughters off to marriage
2244.320000 2253.980000 as such an early age, and that usually falls back on education and financial abilities,
2253.980000 2254.980000 liabilities.
2254.980000 2255.980000 Not in this culture, though.
2255.980000 2256.980000 Other cultures do.
2256.980000 2263.160000 All right, in other cultures they still do, and speaking of financial, I mean, again,
2263.160000 2267.700000 back in that time period, marriage was a financial transaction.
2267.700000 2272.020000 But the US considers itself better than those cultures which have a lower age of consent.
2272.020000 2273.020000 Right.
2273.020000 2277.040000 The US thinks themselves better than everybody else, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's
2277.040000 2278.040000 true.
2278.040000 2279.040000 Yeah.
2279.040000 2283.600000 So I'm just trying to think, I mean, do you think that they're right in the fact that
2283.600000 2286.520000 people should wait until they're older?
2286.520000 2288.160000 Because I'm trying to figure this out.
2288.160000 2289.160000 What is "right?"
2289.160000 2293.280000 I mean, just because I've worked in the past for thousands of years, and all of a sudden
2293.280000 2298.200000 people think that it's wrong, who's right?
2298.200000 2300.240000 Is it different, or is it immoral?
2300.240000 2302.520000 Who are they to be able to say it's wrong, though?
2302.520000 2304.360000 Well, that's the thing.
2304.360000 2305.360000 It just doesn't...
2305.360000 2306.360000 Who died and named them king.
2306.360000 2307.360000 No offense.
2307.360000 2312.820000 Well, it just, maybe it just doesn't fit into their frame of reference for what is right
2312.820000 2313.820000 and wrong.
2313.820000 2314.820000 I don't know.
2314.820000 2317.860000 Or once again, they're just looking at the negative side of things.
2317.860000 2326.940000 And plus, the other argument that I can think of is that the life expectancy of a person
2326.940000 2329.720000 was hard, it was maybe half of what it is now.
2329.720000 2335.500000 I mean, if you lived to be 30 at the time, you were doing pretty damn good.
2335.500000 2340.640000 Which makes me wonder about Jesus, because if Jesus was supposed to be a poor guy, how
2340.640000 2346.840000 was he able to live up to almost 40 years old before they killed him?
2346.840000 2349.400000 He's actually 32.
2349.400000 2350.400000 32.
2350.400000 2352.560000 Well, I've heard arguments for and against it.
2352.560000 2358.060000 I've heard that he was even 40 years old when he was killed, different times.
2358.060000 2363.020000 There was calendar mishaps and whatnot, without getting into that entire debate.
2363.020000 2367.240000 He lived pretty damn long for that time period.
2367.240000 2368.240000 For that time period, yeah.
2368.240000 2369.240000 So do you think...
2369.240000 2372.880000 I mean, you have to consider the help that he had too, so.
2372.880000 2377.080000 Yeah, he did have help, yeah.
2377.080000 2385.580000 Do you think that might also have some type of, what was the word, some type of effect
2385.580000 2387.240000 on the age of consent?
2387.240000 2393.960000 Because if you lived shorter, then you would have to get married earlier in order to raise
2393.960000 2395.500000 your children earlier.
2395.500000 2400.500000 Do you think that maybe biology has a big play in it?
2400.500000 2401.500000 I'd say possibly.
2401.500000 2409.820000 I mean, we're living longer these days, and I mean, a lot of people, if you look, there's
2409.820000 2414.260000 a lot of people that are putting off families and children until later in life.
2414.260000 2422.960000 They want to have their career and be well-established, and as far as married couples, you're seeing
2422.960000 2427.040000 more and more people, they're waiting until they're in their late 30s, early 40s before
2427.040000 2428.040000 they're having children.
2428.040000 2429.040000 Right.
2429.040000 2436.480000 Now, I'm wondering, maybe the social aspects of our society are out of line with our biological
2436.480000 2437.480000 aspects.
2437.480000 2441.560000 What our body's telling us to do is happening a lot earlier on than what's socially acceptable.
2441.560000 2442.560000 Right.
2442.560000 2447.640000 So, maybe it's not just, maybe it's not the act itself of sex that's bad, it's that since
2447.640000 2452.620000 we think that the child is not ready, the kid is not ready, the minor, between the ages
2452.620000 2460.340000 of 10 to 17, most adults that I know consider their kids "not to be ready" to have sex.
2460.340000 2466.940000 And if you look at that, I wish I could remember where it was because they had a link to the
2466.940000 2472.180000 website, but I watched a deal just the other day on one of the Discovery channels where
2472.180000 2477.920000 people are taking their kids in to see the doctor because they think their child's going
2477.920000 2483.440000 into puberty too early, you know, and there's a lot of children, you know, 8 and 9 years
2483.440000 2484.440000 old that are starting puberty.
2484.440000 2490.840000 It's a fact, it's a fact that the age at which children are entering puberty now is probably,
2490.840000 2497.160000 I know from when I was, when I was that age, kids are entering puberty 3 to 4 to 5 years
2497.160000 2500.920000 before people, kids, when I was going through it.
2500.920000 2509.340000 You know, I was 12 and I know my great-nephew is 9 and he's already in puberty.
2509.340000 2515.240000 I was probably 9 and a half, 10 years old when I went into puberty, so, a few years
2515.240000 2516.240000 ago.
2516.240000 2517.240000 Aqua.
2517.240000 2518.240000 Aqua.
2518.240000 2519.240000 Yeah.
2519.240000 2521.200000 Do you want to talk about anything?
2521.200000 2523.480000 We got about 10 minutes left or so.
2523.480000 2525.480000 We got 10 minutes left?
2525.480000 2526.480000 Yeah.
2526.480000 2527.480000 Dude, that went by fast.
2527.480000 2528.480000 It's because you were watching TV.
2528.480000 2539.280000 Yeah, 54 minutes but there's going to be something to talk about.
2539.280000 2543.560000 About how they're trying to like change all the TV stuff.
2543.560000 2547.760000 About how they're saying that everything on TV is like now inappropriate.
2547.760000 2550.280000 Well yeah, content restrictions for kids.
2550.280000 2551.280000 What is up with that?
2551.280000 2553.320000 Well, I don't know, why don't you tell us?
2553.320000 2554.320000 What do you think?
2554.320000 2555.320000 How come they're doing it?
2555.320000 2556.320000 Well, I don't know.
2556.320000 2557.320000 I mean, I'll flip through the channels right now.
2557.320000 2558.320000 I got the volume down on mute.
2558.320000 2559.320000 Don't worry.
2559.320000 2563.720000 Yeah, otherwise I'll throttle you.
2563.720000 2564.720000 You Lifetime.
2564.720000 2568.760000 Don't even talk about, don't even talk about Lifetime.
2568.760000 2569.800000 You Hallmark.
2569.800000 2572.120000 Now we know what channels you watch.
2572.120000 2573.520000 VH1 Evil.
2573.520000 2577.320000 Well, what do you like to watch, Aqua?
2577.320000 2585.120000 My TV's always set to Cartoon Network and then sometimes I watch the Dr. Phil show.
2585.120000 2586.120000 The what show?
2586.120000 2587.120000 I'm sorry for you.
2587.120000 2588.120000 Dr. Phil.
2588.120000 2589.120000 Dr. Phil.
2589.120000 2594.520000 If you put the cape before the carriage, you can't boil eggs.
2594.520000 2602.680000 Anyway, Dr. Phil got his start on Oprah, that should answer the question.
2602.680000 2607.080000 Aqua, how can we get back in sync with you?
2607.080000 2609.000000 I don't want you to be excluded from this.
2609.000000 2611.120000 I want you to be part of it.
2611.120000 2612.120000 I'm not.
2612.120000 2613.120000 I'm just.
2613.120000 2614.120000 You're not part of it?
2614.120000 2619.120000 I'm like, for some reason now, like way not a part of it and I don't know why.
2619.120000 2620.120000 Well, I don't know.
2620.120000 2623.620000 I mean, let's talk about something completely different.
2623.620000 2626.600000 You wait, what the heck is this gambling on ESPN?
2626.600000 2627.600000 What?
2627.600000 2628.600000 Poker?
2628.600000 2629.600000 Yeah.
2629.600000 2630.600000 Probably got a poker game.
2630.600000 2631.600000 Poker final.
2631.600000 2632.600000 Oh wait, no, that was just a commercial.
2632.600000 2633.600000 Okay.
2633.600000 2634.600000 All right, there's.
2634.600000 2635.600000 Cause I know ESPN has poker finals.
2635.600000 2636.600000 No, no.
2636.600000 2637.600000 Ooh, Comedy Central.
2637.600000 2638.600000 South Park is a good show.
2638.600000 2639.600000 Oh my God.
2639.600000 2640.600000 What the hell are you talking about?
2640.600000 2641.600000 That's a stupid throwback.
2641.600000 2648.480000 That's deep, deep, deep conversation we're having about South Park.
2648.480000 2649.480000 It's very deep.
2649.480000 2650.480000 It's about TV programming.
2650.480000 2651.480000 Okay.
2651.480000 2654.480000 I'll tell you, South Park is a great place for sound bites for a radio show.
2654.480000 2655.480000 A taser?
2655.480000 2656.480000 Who has a taser?
2656.480000 2657.480000 Oh, I'm sorry.
2657.480000 2658.480000 I know what you're hearing.
2658.480000 2659.480000 Not me.
2659.480000 2660.480000 Let me get rid of it.
2660.480000 2661.480000 No, it's a.
2661.480000 2662.480000 It's my ID badge.
2662.480000 2667.480000 The only thing I'll say about South Park is it's a great place for sound bites for a radio
2667.480000 2668.480000 string type thing.
2668.480000 2669.480000 What the heck?
2669.480000 2670.480000 What?
2671.360000 2674.360000 Your ID badge has a taser on it?
2674.360000 2675.360000 Whoa, dude.
2675.360000 2676.360000 That was weird.
2676.360000 2677.360000 We said it at the same time.
2677.360000 2680.360000 I have no idea what you said.
2680.360000 2683.360000 Okay, now I know why they're talking about inappropriate.
2683.360000 2688.360000 They got this couple making out and taking off their clothes and their dog is barking.
2688.360000 2689.360000 WTF.
2689.360000 2690.360000 This is on FX.
2690.360000 2691.360000 What channel is this?
2691.360000 2693.360000 This is on what channel?
2693.360000 2694.360000 FX.
2694.360000 2695.360000 FX.
2695.360000 2696.360000 FX.
2696.360000 2697.360000 Which is?
2697.360000 2698.360000 What is FX?
2698.360000 2699.360000 What is FX?
2699.360000 2700.360000 Oh, Fox.
2701.240000 2702.240000 What's FX?
2702.240000 2703.240000 It says FX, but I don't know.
2703.240000 2704.240000 It's one of the channels.
2704.240000 2705.240000 Yeah, it's called.
2705.240000 2706.240000 Well, we don't get that up here.
2706.240000 2707.240000 It's a program called Just Married.
2707.240000 2708.240000 What kind of program?
2708.240000 2709.240000 Well.
2709.240000 2710.240000 It's a program called Just Married.
2710.240000 2711.240000 I don't.
2711.240000 2712.240000 Whatever.
2712.240000 2714.240000 Here's E. Everyone hates E.
2714.240000 2715.240000 Don't get that up here.
2715.240000 2716.240000 TV.
2716.240000 2717.240000 E-U-A-N-E.
2717.240000 2718.240000 I can watch TV on my computer.
2718.240000 2719.240000 They've gone to trash.
2719.240000 2720.240000 See if I can find.
2720.240000 2721.240000 Ooh, USA.
2721.240000 2722.240000 What's this network?
2722.240000 2723.240000 Oh.
2723.240000 2724.240000 I got to mute that.
2724.240000 2725.240000 Okay, so.
2725.240000 2726.240000 I'm trying to think.
2726.240000 2727.240000 I'm trying to think.
2727.240000 2728.240000 I'm trying to think.
2728.240000 2729.240000 Okay.
2730.120000 2733.120000 You cannot find anything inappropriate really that is on the TV.
2733.120000 2734.120000 I'm trying to think.
2734.120000 2736.120000 It's on cable or satellite.
2736.120000 2737.120000 Okay, so you.
2737.120000 2741.120000 Are you against them finding things appropriate on TV or what?
2741.120000 2743.120000 Because you're giving me mixed signals.
2743.120000 2744.120000 You're talking about you.
2744.120000 2747.120000 They're getting sexed up on a TV station.
2747.120000 2749.120000 Yeah, that's.
2749.120000 2752.120000 Well, it's not really a mainstream public TV station anyways.
2752.120000 2754.120000 Okay.
2754.120000 2755.120000 I think no one watches it.
2755.120000 2756.120000 Whatever.
2756.120000 2757.120000 What, on FX?
2757.120000 2759.120000 Yeah, if you people don't have FX and it's not a big deal.
2759.120000 2760.120000 I don't watch TV.
2760.120000 2761.120000 Neither do I.
2761.120000 2762.120000 That's okay.
2762.120000 2763.120000 Exactly.
2763.120000 2764.120000 Whatever.
2764.120000 2765.120000 But I'm against.
2765.120000 2768.120000 I'm against them trying to censor it.
2768.120000 2771.120000 Like completely take the programs off the air.
2771.120000 2772.120000 Or like.
2772.120000 2776.120000 Well, you've been exposed to pornography by this point, I'm sure.
2776.120000 2779.120000 Er, let's not get into that.
2779.120000 2780.120000 Why not?
2780.120000 2782.120000 You say you've been on the internet.
2782.120000 2783.120000 Yeah, good point.
2783.120000 2786.120000 And there's pornography on the internet, right?
2786.120000 2788.120000 Yeah, good point.
2788.120000 2789.120000 And it screwed you up, right?
2789.120000 2791.120000 Not really.
2791.120000 2793.120000 Well, from what I've been able to tell from talking.
2793.120000 2794.120000 No, I'm just kidding.
2794.120000 2801.120000 That was a little low there, rookie.
2801.120000 2802.120000 Simpsons.
2802.120000 2804.120000 Yeah, you know, they're trying to actually.
2804.120000 2806.120000 Speaking of inappropriate material.
2806.120000 2808.120000 They're trying to say that these Simpsons are now inappropriate.
2808.120000 2810.120000 Because they did something.
2810.120000 2812.120000 They threw it out of court.
2812.120000 2813.120000 But.
2813.120000 2814.120000 Why?
2814.120000 2815.120000 Because you don't need it very much smart.
2815.120000 2817.120000 You don't have to be very intelligent to actually watch that program.
2818.120000 2819.120000 Because they had a.
2819.120000 2820.120000 I guess.
2820.120000 2823.120000 Was it because they had an episode where Bart bent over.
2823.120000 2826.120000 And they actually drew him the parts that you can see.
2826.120000 2829.120000 What?
2829.120000 2830.120000 They had an episode where.
2830.120000 2831.120000 I've never heard of that.
2831.120000 2832.120000 The guy.
2832.120000 2834.120000 He was in the hospital room and he mooned the guy.
2834.120000 2836.120000 And when he bent over and mooned the guy.
2836.120000 2838.120000 They even had the parts drawn in.
2838.120000 2840.120000 The crack, yes.
2840.120000 2841.120000 Anyhow.
2841.120000 2842.120000 They saw.
2842.120000 2843.120000 They saw his butt crack.
2843.120000 2844.120000 Ooh, penguins in a store.
2844.120000 2845.120000 Cool.
2846.120000 2847.120000 It's a commercial.
2847.120000 2848.120000 I don't mean to change the subject.
2848.120000 2851.120000 But back to one of the very first comments I made.
2851.120000 2856.120000 About emails I was receiving from people who are underage.
2856.120000 2858.120000 I just got one.
2858.120000 2859.120000 Let me read it to you real quick.
2859.120000 2860.120000 Oh my.
2860.120000 2864.120000 It's about a story that I just posted the first chapter of.
2864.120000 2865.120000 Called Gabriel.
2865.120000 2867.120000 Just to give you a little bit of background.
2867.120000 2870.120000 Gabriel is about a 15 year old boy.
2870.120000 2872.120000 Who meets someone in a chat room.
2872.120000 2875.120000 And decides to meet this person.
2875.120000 2876.120000 Really?
2876.120000 2879.120000 Anyways.
2879.120000 2880.120000 It says.
2880.120000 2884.120000 I'm going to interject my nickname instead of my real name.
2884.120000 2885.120000 Which you put in here.
2885.120000 2887.120000 But dear boy story.
2887.120000 2892.120000 I am currently 15 years old and reading your short story Gabriel.
2892.120000 2894.120000 It really touched me.
2894.120000 2899.120000 I know I'm not supposed to be reading all of these erotic stories online.
2899.120000 2900.120000 But I do.
2900.120000 2902.120000 Ever since I was a kid.
2902.120000 2904.120000 I can remember being attracted to other guys.
2904.120000 2907.120000 Now I suppose that's normal for any gay male.
2907.120000 2910.120000 But I think in my situation it might be different.
2910.120000 2912.120000 If it isn't I'm sorry.
2912.120000 2914.120000 My dad is a major conservative.
2914.120000 2916.120000 And a major anti-gay person.
2916.120000 2919.120000 We live in Massachusetts.
2919.120000 2922.120000 And our neighbors are two women living together.
2922.120000 2924.120000 And they got a civil union.
2924.120000 2927.120000 My dad was completely furious at them.
2927.120000 2929.120000 When he found out about it.
2929.120000 2932.120000 He yelled at them in front of other people.
2932.120000 2934.120000 And it made me cry.
2934.120000 2938.120000 He has really given me tips on how to get girls.
2938.120000 2941.120000 And like it's the whole existence of life thing.
2941.120000 2944.120000 It's just trying to get me a girlfriend.
2944.120000 2947.120000 I really wish I wasn't gay.
2947.120000 2950.120000 So I could make him happy.
2950.120000 2951.120000 Oh poor kid.
2951.120000 2952.120000 But I am.
2952.120000 2953.120000 But I am.
2953.120000 2956.120000 If he ever found out that I was gay.
2956.120000 2958.120000 I would be kicked out of my home and excommunicated.
2958.120000 2960.120000 My mom is really a nice person.
2960.120000 2964.120000 But basically does not does whatever my dad tells her to do.
2964.120000 2966.120000 And whatever he thinks is right.
2966.120000 2968.120000 Is what she thinks is right.
2968.120000 2971.120000 So she then naturally hates gay people too.
2971.120000 2975.120000 The only real life outlet I have into any gay thing.
2975.120000 2976.120000 Is your nifty archives.
2976.120000 2980.120000 I think that this being my only way of fantasizing.
2980.120000 2982.120000 And letting go of myself.
2982.120000 2984.120000 Not having to hide.
2984.120000 2985.120000 Is unhealthy.
2985.120000 2988.120000 Because it makes and associates being gay.
2988.120000 2991.120000 As a very raunchy and promiscuous thing.
2991.120000 2992.120000 Yeah.
2992.120000 2993.120000 I want with my whole heart.
2993.120000 2996.120000 To have a friend or something.
2996.120000 2998.120000 That I could tell and talk about.
2998.120000 2999.120000 You know.
2999.120000 3001.120000 I cannot tell any of my friends.
3001.120000 3003.120000 Because they are all on the football team.
3003.120000 3004.120000 The jocks.
3004.120000 3007.120000 And at least.
3007.120000 3008.120000 Hold on one second please.
3008.120000 3010.120000 Shut the dog up for a moment.
3010.120000 3015.120000 The jocks.
3015.120000 3018.120000 And at least once a day call someone a fag.
3018.120000 3021.120000 Or talk about beating up a suspected gay person.
3021.120000 3024.120000 I sit there and watch the whole thing.
3024.120000 3026.120000 Disgusting with myself.
3026.120000 3028.120000 Because I am not standing up for what is right and stopping them.
3028.120000 3031.120000 He goes on for about 16 more paragraphs.
3031.120000 3034.120000 Now is that actually.
3034.120000 3037.120000 This young man is definitely going to get a response from me.
3037.120000 3039.120000 Aqua.
3039.120000 3042.120000 Something that I think you might be able to comment on.
3042.120000 3045.120000 This ties into what we were talking about.
3045.120000 3047.120000 A few episodes back.
3047.120000 3049.120000 Where there aren't any.
3049.120000 3052.120000 Activities for young gay people.
3052.120000 3054.120000 Exactly what that kid was talking about.
3054.120000 3056.120000 People who are more understanding for starters.
3056.120000 3058.120000 Period.
3058.120000 3060.120000 Definitely some support programs.
3060.120000 3062.120000 For people like that who have parents like that.
3062.120000 3064.120000 Now.
3064.120000 3066.120000 You see older guys attractive.
3066.120000 3068.120000 Yeah.
3068.120000 3069.120000 And people your age.
3069.120000 3070.120000 Okay.
3070.120000 3072.120000 But you don't see people younger than you attractive.
3072.120000 3073.120000 No.
3073.120000 3074.120000 No.
3074.120000 3076.120000 So you're basically kind of like an AF gay person.
3076.120000 3079.120000 Now when you get older.
3079.120000 3086.120000 You're going to be entering a more social atmosphere than what you even have now.
3086.120000 3087.120000 I mean you're pretty.
3087.120000 3088.120000 Yeah.
3088.120000 3089.120000 I mean you know.
3089.120000 3092.120000 You're pretty damn advanced socially speaking right now.
3092.120000 3096.120000 But you're going to be advanced even further.
3096.120000 3098.120000 So what would you want to see happen.
3098.120000 3104.120000 I mean like this person saying that the only outlet that he has is a gay sex story archive.
3104.120000 3108.120000 I think more places need to have a YMCA like we have up here though.
3108.120000 3109.120000 What does your YMCA have?
3109.120000 3115.120000 We have the YMCA for the gay and lesbian youth of my town.
3115.120000 3122.120000 Where it's actually run by people who understand what the kids are going through.
3122.120000 3125.120000 They had their own bloody float in the pride parade for peace sake.
3126.120000 3128.120000 They had a float?
3128.120000 3129.120000 Awesome.
3129.120000 3130.120000 Yeah.
3130.120000 3132.120000 You guys talked about that before.
3132.120000 3138.120000 In your part of California, Aqua, what is the general atmosphere of the town?
3138.120000 3144.120000 I mean it's a smaller area and you don't have that much activity.
3144.120000 3146.120000 What do you mean activity?
3146.120000 3148.120000 Describe activity.
3148.120000 3149.120000 I don't know what you're talking about.
3149.120000 3151.120000 What we were just talking about.
3151.120000 3153.120000 You really don't have much of an outlet.
3153.120000 3154.120000 No.
3154.120000 3156.120000 What would be an outlet for you?
3156.120000 3159.120000 Like what Renee was talking about exactly.
3159.120000 3161.120000 A YMCA with people who understand.
3161.120000 3162.120000 So organizations.
3162.120000 3164.120000 You obviously don't live anywhere near me in California.
3164.120000 3165.120000 Organizations exactly.
3165.120000 3166.120000 Right.
3166.120000 3173.120000 Now what do you think about the fact that growing numbers of people are finding gay youth acceptable.
3173.120000 3179.120000 But the moment that an older person comes into the picture all of a sudden it's evil.
3179.120000 3182.120000 That's, I hate to say it, that's kind of stupid don't you think?
3182.120000 3183.120000 Yeah I do.
3183.120000 3192.120000 I mean when it's people your age it's fine but then like older people it's like suddenly the worst sin on the world.
3192.120000 3193.120000 Ten years ago.
3193.120000 3198.120000 Ten years ago I worked for the Los Angeles area gay and lesbian center.
3198.120000 3201.120000 Counseling gay teenagers.
3201.120000 3212.120000 The reason I stopped was very simply that it was perceived that because of the fact that I was in my thirties and these kids were in their teens that all I was looking for was to have sex with them.
3212.120000 3220.120000 It was kind of a let down for me because I really enjoyed it.
3220.120000 3228.120000 Not that I was getting paid for it but it gave me the opportunity to try and mentor a bit.
3228.120000 3234.120000 It gave the boys a chance to see that it is possibly happy and gay.
3234.120000 3237.120000 You could be a fairly well adjusted person and be gay.
3237.120000 3240.120000 So they frowned on you because of your age?
3240.120000 3242.120000 Not because of your age.
3242.120000 3243.120000 Because of my age.
3243.120000 3248.120000 I'm guessing that you weren't having a hard time relating to the kids.
3248.120000 3249.120000 Oh no.
3249.120000 3256.120000 The issue was very simply that some of the parents perceived the fact that I was as old as they were.
3256.120000 3259.120000 You know that all I was really looking for.
3259.120000 3269.120000 You know why would someone who is mature want to hang out with a bunch of teenagers unless it was a situation where they felt that he was looking for a way to get into their parents.
3269.120000 3276.120000 It goes with the whole misconception that gay men are all pedophiles.
3276.120000 3278.120000 I happen to have been a pedophile.
3278.120000 3281.120000 That's what I'm going to address right now.
3281.120000 3282.120000 You are a pedophile.
3282.120000 3283.120000 Oh absolutely.
3283.120000 3284.120000 Absolutely.
3284.120000 3290.120000 If you go by the strict definition of what a pedophile is.
3290.120000 3298.120000 The strict definition of a pedophile is a person who is attracted sexually and non sexually to young people.
3298.120000 3299.120000 To children.
3299.120000 3300.120000 How young?
3300.120000 3307.120000 My personal attraction goes down as far as sexual attraction is concerned, basically twelve.
3307.120000 3308.120000 Okay.
3308.120000 3312.120000 As far as my love for boys goes through six, seven, eight years old.
3312.120000 3318.120000 But your sexual attraction, if you're saying it only goes down to twelve, that's usually when they're starting puberty.
3318.120000 3319.120000 That's right.
3319.120000 3321.120000 So how is that pedophilia?
3321.120000 3323.120000 It really depends on whose definition of pedophilia.
3323.120000 3324.120000 Well that's what I'm saying.
3324.120000 3326.120000 That's what I'm trying to get to.
3326.120000 3334.120000 Society's definition of pedophilia is anyone who is attracted to anyone under the age of consent.
3334.120000 3335.120000 Yeah.
3335.120000 3337.120000 And in California that's eighteen.
3337.120000 3339.120000 And in California that's eighteen.
3339.120000 3349.120000 Which is actually kind of makes me really laugh because I always see people talking about how they're so sexually attracted to a teenage girl.
3349.120000 3354.120000 But of course they say they don't go for it because they're quote unquote jail bait.
3354.120000 3356.120000 But they're having the sexual attraction.
3356.120000 3359.120000 If the old seventeen will get you twenty.
3359.120000 3360.120000 Exactly.
3360.120000 3361.120000 Exactly.
3361.120000 3363.120000 Now so they didn't like you.
3363.120000 3368.120000 Now were you open with your attractions?
3368.120000 3372.120000 I mean did you openly say yes to these people who are attracted?
3372.120000 3374.120000 I'm attracted to these people.
3374.120000 3375.120000 No.
3375.120000 3376.120000 No.
3376.120000 3377.120000 Okay.
3377.120000 3381.120000 But what I'm saying is that there are assumptions in this.
3381.120000 3391.120000 Okay they were assuming that because you were staying around these people that you were sexually attracted to them and you wanted to get into bed with them.
3391.120000 3396.120000 Now they happen to be correct in the sexual attraction part of it.
3396.120000 3398.120000 But what about the rest of it?
3398.120000 3401.120000 Did you want to get into bed with these people?
3401.120000 3402.120000 Here's the point.
3402.120000 3403.120000 Well I'm just asking.
3403.120000 3413.120000 One thing that any sexual relationship whether it be intergenerational or not sexual relationships are based on trust.
3413.120000 3414.120000 Right.
3414.120000 3428.120000 There was a level of trust that these young people put in me to be someone that they can go to to discuss their problems and things along those lines without having to worry about the fact that I was going to come on to them.
3428.120000 3429.120000 Right.
3429.120000 3438.120000 Had I ever gone into a sexual relationship with any of the boys that I was dealing with during that time it would have been a tremendous violation of that trust.
3438.120000 3440.120000 Yeah you're in the position of authority.
3440.120000 3441.120000 Exactly.
3441.120000 3443.120000 So you never went for it.
3443.120000 3450.120000 And even if it was consensual in my mind it would be tantamount to rape.
3450.120000 3471.120000 Right. Now I mean that also goes along with that goes along into relationships of people of age and that people in positions of authority such as you know like psychologists and doctors they're not allowed to get into relationships with their patients.
3471.120000 3472.120000 Right.
3472.120000 3475.120000 So that kind of goes along the board.
3475.120000 3480.120000 So I'm just trying to figure out besides the hysteria part of it.
3480.120000 3482.120000 How could they have asked you.
3482.120000 3489.120000 I mean did you did you voluntarily leave this way when the director came to me and told me the issues that were being presented.
3489.120000 3490.120000 I offered to leave.
3490.120000 3491.120000 OK.
3491.120000 3495.120000 He was he told me that he's glad I took that attitude because he was going to have to ask me to leave.
3495.120000 3496.120000 I chose not to leave.
3496.120000 3497.120000 Under what grounds.
3497.120000 3498.120000 Oh I wasn't being paid.
3498.120000 3499.120000 I was here.
3499.120000 3500.120000 Well yeah.
3500.120000 3501.120000 But still under what grounds.
3501.120000 3505.120000 So it's a simple matter they don't at that point they don't need grounds.
3505.120000 3507.120000 They can just say that we no longer wish you to volunteer.
3507.120000 3508.120000 Is that legal.
3508.120000 3509.120000 Why couldn't it be.
3509.120000 3510.120000 It's a volunteer situation.
3510.120000 3511.120000 You're not being paid.
3511.120000 3512.120000 It's not employment.
3512.120000 3513.120000 I guess that's true.
3513.120000 3515.120000 I don't know what the legalities are of that though.
3515.120000 3517.120000 I mean that's kind of like a breach of.
3517.120000 3520.120000 If I wanted to make a big stink about it I probably could have made a big stink about it.
3520.120000 3522.120000 We probably would have tested a few laws.
3522.120000 3528.120000 But the point of the matter was is that was I really into the idea of having that kind of scrutiny played upon me.
3528.120000 3529.120000 Right.
3529.120000 3531.120000 So you chose to back away.
3531.120000 3533.120000 Remember this was this was the early to mid 90s.
3533.120000 3534.120000 Right.
3534.120000 3535.120000 Yeah things were.
3535.120000 3539.120000 This is a time this is a time this is a time when people were being made examples of.
3539.120000 3540.120000 Right.
3540.120000 3542.120000 Well they still are.
3542.120000 3544.120000 Well even more so then than now.
3544.120000 3547.120000 You know they were they were blazing the trails at that time.
3547.120000 3555.120000 Well I would like to talk with you more later on about this because it looks like you have a lot of information to provide.
3555.120000 3565.120000 And this is something that I really want to get into because you were in a relationship in a working relationship with teenagers that you did not violate.
3565.120000 3569.120000 And you were still drawn away from this.
3569.120000 3576.120000 And so even though you were doing a good thing because of people's mistrust and their hysteria about it you know it just.
3576.120000 3578.120000 Anyway so yeah.
3578.120000 3580.120000 Hysteria is a good word for it.
3580.120000 3581.120000 Give me the favor though.
3581.120000 3584.120000 Give me the favor of reading that story I told you about.
3584.120000 3585.120000 Yeah I will.
3585.120000 3590.120000 Before we have that conversation I think it'll bring a whole lot more into some questions you'll probably want to ask me.
3590.120000 3591.120000 OK.
3591.120000 3593.120000 I will. I will.
3593.120000 3595.120000 All right guys.
3595.120000 3599.120000 It was an impromptu show as usual.
3599.120000 3603.120000 So you know hopefully as we go along I can get more.
3603.120000 3610.120000 I do have a couple of people lined up that want to come on the show that.
3610.120000 3618.120000 They'll be having some more input to give more in-depth scholarly input so.
3618.120000 3621.120000 What kind of dog do you have.
3621.120000 3624.120000 I have an 11 month old Welsh Corgi.
3624.120000 3625.120000 Oh cool.
3625.120000 3626.120000 OK.
3626.120000 3627.120000 He's just a puppy.
3627.120000 3629.120000 And he wants his attention.
3629.120000 3630.120000 OK people I'm back.
3630.120000 3631.120000 He wants his attention.
3631.120000 3632.120000 You left.
3632.120000 3633.120000 Yes I left.
3633.120000 3635.120000 Didn't you see in the Skype chat.
3635.120000 3637.120000 I said BRB.
3637.120000 3641.120000 I can't pay attention to the Skype chat right now because I'm talking.
3641.120000 3643.120000 Well you can multitask.
3643.120000 3645.120000 OK.
3645.120000 3646.120000 No offense.
3646.120000 3647.120000 Renee has to get going.
3647.120000 3648.120000 I really got to get going.
3648.120000 3649.120000 Renee.
3649.120000 3650.120000 All right.
3650.120000 3652.120000 I need to turn on Renee's show so I can hear it too.
3652.120000 3653.120000 All right.
3653.120000 3655.120000 Anyone want to say anything else before we leave.
3655.120000 3656.120000 I do.
3656.120000 3657.120000 I have a disclaimer.
3657.120000 3659.120000 Anything intelligent anyone want to say before we leave.
3659.120000 3660.120000 Anything important.
3660.120000 3664.120000 Oh now I definitely have something to say.
3664.120000 3669.120000 If anyone thinks that I'm not intelligent they need to look in the mirror.
3669.120000 3670.120000 You're a mascot rookie.
3670.120000 3672.120000 You're here for comic relief.
3672.120000 3673.120000 Oh no.
3673.120000 3674.120000 I'm not a serious.
3674.120000 3675.120000 No.
3675.120000 3677.120000 I'm a scapegoat free people.
3677.120000 3678.120000 Yeah.
3678.120000 3679.120000 No you're not a scapegoat.
3679.120000 3681.120000 We're using not a serious note for a moment.
3681.120000 3685.120000 You know the one closing statement I really want to make is the fact that there is such
3685.120000 3693.120000 a huge difference between what we consider to be a boy lover versus what society considers
3693.120000 3694.120000 to be a child molester.
3694.120000 3703.120000 You know it's a matter that there is an entire aspect to the relationship between what a
3703.120000 3706.120000 boy lover does and what a child molester does.
3706.120000 3711.120000 You know if nothing else if we can get society to start recognizing the fact that there is
3711.120000 3712.120000 a difference.
3712.120000 3717.120000 But I think we'll go from the middle ages to the 20th century real quick.
3717.120000 3718.120000 And I just feel.
3718.120000 3719.120000 I'm happy to.
3719.120000 3724.120000 I'm happy to be able to be a part of this.
3724.120000 3725.120000 Yeah.
3725.120000 3727.120000 Thank you very much for being on the show.
3727.120000 3728.120000 We'll talk more.
3728.120000 3729.120000 Don't go away.
3729.120000 3730.120000 I want to talk to you.
3730.120000 3731.120000 Call me back.
3731.120000 3732.120000 OK.
3732.120000 3733.120000 OK.
3733.120000 3734.120000 OK.
3734.120000 3735.120000 OK.
3735.120000 3736.120000 Thank you.
3736.120000 3737.120000 Say goodbye guys.
3737.120000 3738.120000 Bye.
3738.120000 3739.120000 Bye.
3739.120000 3740.120000 Bye.
3740.120000 3741.120000 All right.
3741.120000 3742.120000 Talk to you guys later.
3742.120000 3743.120000 Bye.
3743.120000 3743.120000 Bye bye.
3744.120000 3751.120000 I don't expect you to understand.
3751.120000 3757.120000 The kingdom of heaven is here again.
3757.120000 3763.120000 I don't expect you to wake from your dreams.
3763.120000 3768.120000 Too late to cry in the loudest scenes.
3768.120000 3774.120000 Don't know where the land must be.
3774.120000 3780.120000 Nothing but a bunch of dreams.
3780.120000 3788.120000 All you really need to dream is maybe some new love.
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